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Question: Do you want Courthouse Estates to have Parks / Play Areas?

NO - For Any Reason  
  0 (0%)
Yes, but no more than $30,000 Allocated for it  
  0 (0%)
Yes, but no more than $40,000 Allocated for it  
  0 (0%)
Yes, but no more than $50,000 Allocated for it  
  2 (28.5%)
Yes, but no more than $60,000 Allocated for it  
  3 (42.8%)
Yes, but no more than $70,000 Allocated for it  
  0 (0%)
Yes, but no more than $80,000 Allocated for it  
  1 (14.2%)
Yes, but no more than $90,000 Allocated for it  
  1 (14.2%)



Total votes: 7
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Reply #15 - 01/03/09 at 23:41:47
 
Get real here, Court House Estates is not a dying retirement community.  There are plenty of other  homes associations in Va Bch that have all of those things you so desire.  Again, as I have said in the past, go take a GOOD look at them and see what it is really all about.  Yes you will always find negative with positive and vice a versus. We were never promised any of what you have mentioned and I do not expect it nor wish for it, especially not the playground nightmare. Have you ever lived in a Homes Association other than Courthouse? I will agree with you about not spending 600,00 on grounds though, but not the other things you mention. Lowering our PUD dues would be more in line, not increasing them.  And if we get the above mentioned items, there will more costs involved than you can imagine and our PUD dues will sky rocket yearly. Getting off my soap box now  Cool
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Reply #16 - 01/04/09 at 14:57:43
 
Actually, I have lived in other places with community associations.  I was not harassed half as much as I am here for doing things that are not violations of the covenants.  We also had a community pool and playgrounds and the dues were a great deal lower.   Personally, I don't have an opinion on the play ground issue as I don't have kids.  I do believe more community involvement helps a community be stronger.  I would like to see more community events especially for the kids.  We used to have more events but that ideal seems to have been lost.
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Reply #17 - 01/04/09 at 18:41:19
 
   Having moved here from Green Run, I have experienced other PUD'S/HOA/CA what have you.  In 1984 my Green Run fees were $13.00 a month.  In 2003 when we moved, my Green Run fees were
$15.00 a month.  With all the amenities, and the accompanying expenses.    
   
   Still do not understand the difference.
 
    And before some do as I have heard board members do and disparage Gree Run for its alleged drug and other criminal activity level, allow me to say that in my opinion, the only difference in GR and CHE is that GR has the street dealers and CHE has the midlevel wholesalers.
 
 
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Reply #18 - 01/04/09 at 19:08:23
 
Don't even get me started on Green Run. I would have to write a book. We owned a home there for over 13 years and rented before that.  I loved my neighborhood, the pools, the clubhouse and so on, till it started to go to crap.  It went downhill and we could hardly wait to get out.  We did everything to not leave. Drugs and drug dealers in Green Run are a whole different level than here in Courthouse(for now). I know this first hand and have a million stories and was very educated upon leaving. I was involved with the Narcotics Department and many other Crime Related things surrounding this while living there. I beat doors down and much more over crime/slum landlords, and much more. It was mentally draining and exhausting.  I have stories that would raise the hair on your neck surrounding this.   The last couple of years were frightening and I would never want that to happen here.  
 
I just recently spoke with someone I have known for years there and I believe they said they were closing at least one of the pools, due to violence and destructive behavior this past summer and changing hours on the others.  Crime is still high, and the parks/playgrounds are a freaking nightmare. So all those wonderful amenities are not always worth it.  How much do you think it will cost to build ViceGrip's wonderland for kids here at Courthouse? And where will that money come from? You honestly don't think we won't pay for it one way or another?  
 
If you could get homes cleaned up first and foremost (here in Courthouse), especially the one I have a pet peeve about, I would be MORE than willing to throw my entire self of supporting such an adventure and beat doors down to do it. But we can't even get that done,  let's see.........it has been......ten years here!!!!!!!!!
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Reply #19 - 01/04/09 at 23:20:29
 
I would venture to say that a good many of CHE residents have experienced the HOA lifestyle. To answer any doubts about my experience, we built here and moved from Ocean Lakes. You know the community that has 3 pools, a reck center, a pool hall, a meeting hall, about a dozen play grounds, 4 basket ball courts, 4 tennis courts and so on. The number of homes in the OL community are more than the 1200 we have in CHE, but last I had heard their dues were still relatively lower comparing apple to apple.  
I am still perplexed by the attachment to certain things discussed. There are several communities in our area that have absolutely NO HOA, no dues are mandated and no ACC dictates how the homeowners maintain their properties. The several I know of have as nice or even better grounds and homes than us. They have volunteer Civic Leagues, similar to a HOA, but not as hard lined. I should mention that they have some horror stories too though. I guess my point here is from one extreme to another it boils down to the individual homeowner. Anyone of us could have the next largest drug dealer in VA living next to us. Nothing any HOA or Civic League can do to stop that. It is up to all of us to make it as difficult as possible for unsavory activities to take place. That is the bottom line on these issues. It is now more or less the homeowners duties as it is the HOA's.  
Compliance to a reasonable standard is preferred and the HOA attempts to achieve those goals. Maybe it takes a friendly conversation from a neighbor with the offending home to help resolve issues too.
All of these issues aside... I think our efforts would be better directed for the time being at changing the Covenants that has 15 separate HOA's. I believe we could save time, money and strife by having one governing committee and one set of governing docs (Master Association only). I think it would also be easier after that to achieve Vote quotas on special projects of any kind from Convent amendments to play areas.
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Reply #20 - 01/05/09 at 06:52:32
 
"Compliance to a reasonable standard is preferred and the HOA attempts to achieve those goals. Maybe it takes a friendly conversation from a neighbor with the offending home to help resolve issues too."
 
Yes I have seen how that works here over the last ten years! Maybe Helen could stroll on down to this home and have a friendly chat with them on the appearance of their home, since letters, violations, phone calls don't seem to work. I know others have tried and it has been received not so well.  Nice fence they have, they keep picking it up and proppping it up week after week.  This week it is propped up until the next wind. Sigh............
Very familiar with Ocean Lakes also and what it is like there also, with all the amenities.
 
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Reply #21 - 01/05/09 at 11:30:08
 
Mrs. Dee.
 
I am not suggesting anything here, but...
If this home has a Pool and it is not properly fenced in to keep children from possible drowning, the city of VB has strict laws on this. You could always call Citizen Services (311) and ask to be directed to the proper department.
 
Also Dee, I am trying to work with you here but you still seem very combative in regards to this home. There is no doubt this is a sore subject for you! What would you have Me, Helen, the HOA or anyone else legally do to fix this troubled home? Lets ease the complaining and try to find positive and feasible solutions.
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Reply #22 - 01/05/09 at 21:18:45
 
Yes Dan, it is a sore subject with me. I have noted on this board (and yes I know it is your board) that you have several "sore" subjects and become combative, along with other things, at times with certain issues. I have called and complained until I am blue in the face. I know who to call, and how to complain, I am pretty good at it.  I have a ton of experience in this department. But I will start that process all over again, until my fingers are blue.  
 
I was simply making a comment about your neighborly suggestions, which do not work with this family as I have pointed out in the past.   Helen if you are out there, maybe you could update me on the status of the fence, since I believe you were going to check into this??  Dan I think I am going to exit off your board, I started to do that before, and then returned. You are one sided, and see only your goals in the forefront.  You and I do not seem to click, because I don't seem to play by your "rules" or on your "team"....good luck.
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Reply #23 - 01/05/09 at 22:15:18
 
Dee,
I'd rather not see you go. We do butt heads, but is that always a bad thing? I have been defensive and am always attempting to better myself and find the higher ground.  
If you wish me to delete you from the Log... I will, but maybe we can co-exists and make an effort to not rub each other the wrong way? Your passion is what we need, we also need opinions other than mine and other members. Respect and careful wording maybe needed a little bit more. I will try harder on my part if I am failing. What do you say?
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Reply #24 - 01/05/09 at 22:59:59
 
Okay, I will work on the wording and respect thing.  We do butt heads and I will agree I am a type A personality and will push an issue to the end to get the result that needs to be gotton.  I will work on some of my so called sore areas and maybe express them off the board until I am once again blue in the face and sick of making calls. You can keep me in the log, I may regret this once again, but I am willing to try and will try to curb some of my  strong opinions.........try being the key word.
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